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--Dedekorkut 11:27, 17 Eylül 2006 (UTC)

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Hi Robin,

I agree with you 100%. About the second suggestion though, i think keeping everything under "Kategori:Yüzyıllar" instead of "Yüzyıl" would be the better way to go. I am sure you have already figured it out.

Template:Yüzyıl looks perfect by the way, keep up the good work!

Vito Genovese 21:41, 19 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

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Sorry for replying now Robin, apparently my memory sucks.

Both categories have been speedy deleted and everything seems to be perfectly fine. As a matter of fact, now that i now that you're capable of working multilingually, you will be bugged time to time in the future for any irrelevant bot work you can think of :)

Thanks again.

Vito Genovese 21:12, 20 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

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Another great catch. Taking care of it right away.

Vito Genovese 21:34, 20 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

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It's a shame that i don't know the right answer to this question, which i still can not believe. However i'd gladly ask Krkzn for help in this matter. He is kind of our language faschist (who lives in France apparently) and i am more than sure that he has an answer already (I bet he even saw your message before i did).

You'll probably read both our messages together :)

Vito Genovese 06:55, 21 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

Complément de nom/adjectif

• Bonjour, je viens de voir votre question concernante la grammaire turc que vous avez posée à Vito. Je vais essayer de vous expliquer autant que je peux puisque je ne suis pas un expert sur le sujet:
  • La différence entre Yunan et Yunanlı est que le premier est l'adjectif de nationalité correct qui correspondent au mot grec. Le deuxieme est un usage incorrect.
  • Yunan filozof en singulier ou Yunan filozoflar en pluriel sont des compléments d'adjectif. La syntaxe est adjectif + nom. Pour cette raison, il n'y a pas de déclinaison du nom qui est complété par l'adjectif qui vient toujours avant le nom en turc contrairement à français que deux positions ante et post sont possibles.
  • Antik Yunan filozofu ou Antik Yunan filozofları sont par contre des compléments de nom. Antik Yunan est une période dans le temps et est un nom. Donc dans le complément de nom avec la syntaxe nom+nom+(suffix d'appartenance), le premier mot reste sans déclinaison mais le deuxieme prends le déclinaison d'appartenance -ı, -i. Et bien sûr en respectant l'accord de voyelles, cette déclinaison diffère selon les règles de ces accords.

Si on dit Yunan filozofu, il faut comprendre que le mot Yunan est utilisé comme un nom et pas comme un adjectif. Donc le philosophe en question s'occupe de la philosophie grecque mais il n'est pas grec.

Je crois que l'explication est ce que je viens d'écrire. Comme j'ai déjà dit je ne suis pas expert, donc si j'ai des betises, Krkzn peut le dire. En espèrant de vous éclaircir sur le sujet... --Mskyrider ^ileti 07:23, 21 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

Good morning gentlemen,

Sorry for the late response but I just saw Vito's message (by the way, a language faschist?, i'm heartbroken Vito). I've been busy with a bot, and even though I might seem active on the recent changes page, that is not necessarily me, but my new sidekick :).

As far as the grammar question is concerned, I agree with Mskyrider. But I would also like to point out that i'm no expert on linguistics (computer scientist...). However, from an historical perspective, the majority of our historians consider "Yunanistanlı" (Yunanistan (Greece) + association suffix) as the equivalent of today's "Greek" term in order to differentiate them from ancient Greeks, that are called "Yunan" (the adjective). Whereas "Yunanlı" (Yunan + association suffix) is just a common mistake when used instead of Yunan, and actually refers to someone/something that is associated somehow with a "Yunan".

The ideal in my opinion would be to use Yunanistanlı for today's Greeks, and Yunan for their ancient counterparts. This differentation is scientifically supported by historians, that know quite well that those two people (Ancient Greeks and contemporary "Greeks") are far from being the same.

And one last point, why in the world would someone write Frenglish (Filozof, Philosophe) in the Turkish Wikipedia, when "düşünbilimci" is available? If you call what i do language faschism, then yours is pushing a language down the drain (this last sentence is obviously not aimed at Robin). - Erhan 09:12, 21 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification on the Greek philosophers categories. If I understood well, Kategori:Yunan filozoflar should have been named Kategori:Yunanistanlı filozoflar, wheras it is Kategori:Antik Yunan filozofları (probably redundant simply by the name) that should be named Kategori:Yunan filozoflar. It could be confusing for users that don't know about these subtleties. My suggestion would be to leave it as it is for inclusion reasons. Kategori:Milletlerine göre filozoflar includes Kategori:Yunan filozoflar, that in its turn includes Kategori:Antik Yunan filozofları. Both subcategories refer to the same nationality and only the latter is more specific because of the time period. However, we could also rename everything and go with the Kategori:Milletlerine göre filozoflar --> Kategori:Yunanistanlı filozoflar --> Kategori:Yunan filozoflar (or leave it as Kategori:Antik Yunan filozofları) hierarchy. If so, a comment such as "This category contains only Greek philosophers after the fall of the Batı Roma İmparatorluğu. Philosophers previous to this time should be placed in the sub-category Antik Yunan filozofları" can be placed at the top of the categories to help the users in attributing the proper categories, as it is done is many other wikis. As for now, the philosophers placed in either of the greek categories are mostly misplaced anyway, so a change is not that much of a problem. What do you think? More cooperative work ahead of me???

Regards. - Robin des Bois ♘ ➳ ✉ 22:59, 22 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

You certainly have understood the situation. I agree that most users are unaware of such subtleties. Personally, I prefer Kategori:Milletlerine göre filozoflar --> Kategori:Yunanistanlı filozoflar --> Kategori:Yunan filozoflar. But as it is a category concerning tens of articles, i think we should also consult with a more experienced user. I'm writing to Vito about the final decision :) - Erhan 21:02, 23 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it was decided to preserve the current structure: Kategori:Milletlerine göre filozoflar --> Kategori:Yunan filozoflar --> Kategori:Antik Yunan filozofları where Antik Yunan corresponds to Ancient Greeks and Yunan to contemporary Greeks. I will get on with this as soon as possible...- Erhan 20:35, 24 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

Great. So I made the transfer for some ancient greek philosophers (the ones I was sure of). Now would be time to make a comment on top of the respective categories to indicate to the users what they should include, as I mentioned above. Thanks for your help. Robin des Bois ♘ ➳ ✉ 21:43, 24 Şubat 2007 (UTC)

Bilim

Une fois de plus, j'ai besoin de ton éclairage. Qelle est la différence entre Kategori:Doğa bilimleri et Kategori:Fen bilimleri? Je sais que la première peut se traduire par Sciences naturelles. Qu'en est-il de la seconde? Ele semble contenir à peu près les mêmes sous-catégories. Est-ce un cas de dédoublement et doit-on fusionner? Merci. Robin des Bois ♘ ➳ ✉ 21:24, 8 Mart 2007 (UTC)

Salut. As I haven't had any secondary education in Turkey I am not aware of the exact differences. As far as I know these two sets have a non-empty intersection. According to some definitions that I found, fen bilimleri is supposed to contain: physics (fizik or doğa bilimi), chemistry (kimya), biology (biyoloji or canlı bilimi) and mathematics (matematik or uzbilim). The problem is that "fen" is in fact an arabic word and almost obsolete. The current situation of both categories can be summarized as : "a mess". I dont dare make any changes there before consulting someone more experienced. I'll let you know as soon as i get some authoritative info on this- Erhan 21:39, 8 Mart 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the late response, but besides being busy myself with non-wiki related activities, I have also failed in obtaining any information on this topic. I will try to get someone's attention on those categories, and in the meantime I suppose we should orient our efforts on something else. Take care. - Erhan 20:00, 21 Mart 2007 (UTC)

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